Who is Paula Pant?
Paula Pant quit her 9-to-5 job, built financial independence (so that she never needs to trade time for money), launched an online business and owns 7 rental property units.
Paula is someone who I lean heavily on for writing advice and real estate advice. I own a single family townhome and the information on her site has helped me build confidence as an accidental landlord investor.
Sheâ€™s an excellent writer as well and speaks each year at FinCon typically on a writing or freelancing topic.
Listen on to find out about Paulaâ€™s house hacking strategies, her decision to take a two-year trip traveling the World, her secrets to better freelance writing clients, her advanced saving strategy for her HSA, and much more. Stick around after the interview for my biggest takeaways.
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[3:50] – The one thing Paula did thatâ€™s made the biggest difference.
[4:30] – Why focus on housing as a way to financial independence.
[6:00] – Paulaâ€™s background.
[7:30] – The specific strategies sheâ€™s used to find housing for less.
[9:30] – What she did with the money she saved in housing costs.
[11:00] – Deciding to become a master of her money after college in 2005.
[13:30] – Going from mini-retirement mindset to financial independence mindset.
[14:30] – How she saved $25,000 in three years to take her first mini-retirement.
[16:45] – How much she saved in her companyâ€™s 401k during her 3-year employment.
[18:45] – Why and how to travel the world? And is it even safe?
[21:00] – Where she went in 2008 and what she did on her big trip around the world.
[23:00] – Freelance writing as a bridge to financial independence.
[24:15] – Where she landed when she returned to the U.S. in 2010 and how she lived.
[27:30] – The best advice she got about freelancing and Paulaâ€™s favorite magazine.
[29:15] – The secrets to making six figures as a freelancer.
[32:00] – The tools Paula uses to manage her money and paying herself first.
[36:45] – Paula (and husband Willâ€™s) annual savings goals through Roth 401k, HSAs, and SIMPLE IRA.
[38:30] – One area where Paula still struggles with her money.
[40:30] – Her health insurance choice and how sheâ€™s using the health savings account.
[45:15] – Paulaâ€™s impulse purchase into real estate.
[49:45] – Her real estate portfolio now and how much sheâ€™s making each month.
[53:00] – Deciding between real estate investing and traditional retirement investing.
[55:30] – Paulaâ€™s goals for the future.
[58:00] – How Paula feels about her journey so far.
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Links/Terms/Concepts from the Show
- Big Mac founder
- Money Magazine
- Paulaâ€™s Travel Tips
- Student Loan Hero
- BillGuard (now Prosper)
- Motley Fool
- AOL Daily Finance
- Wiser Advisor
- Using an HSA and waiting till retirement for reimbursement.
- Solo Roth 401k
- SIMPLE IRA
- HSABank.com ($2.50/mo)
- TD Ameritrade
- Zillow.com (find home values)
- Cap Rates, IRR, and Cash on Cash Return
- Paulaâ€™s Income Reports
- Backdoor Roth
Disclosure: All opinions expressed are our own. We are compensated by some of the businesses that we link to and review (e.g. TD Ameritrade).
3 Takeaways from My Interview with Paula
1. Paula didnâ€™t need a home and mortgage to feel like a real adult.
She and her husband gave themselves permission to become real adults based on the â€œinvisible thingsâ€ they were doing. Is there something in your life youâ€™re doing because you feel like itâ€™s what an adult should be doing? Are you getting confidence from the things no one sees?
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2. Using small bets give you confidence.
Paula didnâ€™t take off on her two-year round the world trip without testing the idea first with a couple of small trips to places like Costa Rica. While you can certainly apply this concept to lifestyle decisions (which can impact your finances), you can use this approach directly for your financial life as well. Want to start investing? Just start with a small amount. Get something going, then see how it goes. Make bigger decisions later.
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Contributing to retirement accounts is like paying the electric bill. Itâ€™s non-negotiable. This is my favorite takeaway so far from this whole podcast. The electric bill always gets paid. Is your retirement as important? Yes. Maybe not as immediate, but itâ€™s certainly as important. So make sure youâ€™re doing like Paula and paying yourself first. Hold those retirement contributions sacred.
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