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		<title>By: Jules @ Lovely Las Vegas</title>
		<link>http://ptmoney.com/2008/08/04/the-best-way-ive-found-to-truly-save-money/comment-page-1/#comment-4337</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules @ Lovely Las Vegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 01:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great clarification of &quot;saving&quot; vs. &quot;spending less&quot;. While having to spend less, on something you are already going to buy, rocks, saving money for a specific goal is especially gratifying. Plus, the act of saving money truly instills the discipline of delayed gratification/patience, and helps one determine how and where he/she wants to spend their money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great clarification of &#8220;saving&#8221; vs. &#8220;spending less&#8221;. While having to spend less, on something you are already going to buy, rocks, saving money for a specific goal is especially gratifying. Plus, the act of saving money truly instills the discipline of delayed gratification/patience, and helps one determine how and where he/she wants to spend their money.</p>
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		<title>By: PT</title>
		<link>http://ptmoney.com/2008/08/04/the-best-way-ive-found-to-truly-save-money/comment-page-1/#comment-2862</link>
		<dc:creator>PT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve - I definitely agree with the idea of spending less than you earn. And I agree that it sums up personal finance in one phrase. And I follow it in my own life. 

However, I don&#039;t necessarily use it to teach people because it&#039;s somewhat of an empty comment. After it&#039;s said there&#039;s a &quot;so what&quot; or &quot;duh&quot; moment. Everybody knows that you should spend less than you earn to keep your money. At least everyone with a basic understanding of math.

The problem is that we still have a nation of overspenders, not savers. People know that 2-1=1, but they are running their lives with a 2-3=0 mentality.

For me, &quot;automation&quot; and &quot;separation&quot; are more actionable philosophies. Which is what this particular post was getting at.

I really like your mention of &quot;artificial scarcity.&quot; That&#039;s something I should blog about soon. My wife and I make a pretty decent amount and so savings has become easier, but we do allow ourselves to feel that scarcity and it keeps us in check.  Good stuff. Thanks again for your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve &#8211; I definitely agree with the idea of spending less than you earn. And I agree that it sums up personal finance in one phrase. And I follow it in my own life. </p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t necessarily use it to teach people because it&#8217;s somewhat of an empty comment. After it&#8217;s said there&#8217;s a &#8220;so what&#8221; or &#8220;duh&#8221; moment. Everybody knows that you should spend less than you earn to keep your money. At least everyone with a basic understanding of math.</p>
<p>The problem is that we still have a nation of overspenders, not savers. People know that 2-1=1, but they are running their lives with a 2-3=0 mentality.</p>
<p>For me, &#8220;automation&#8221; and &#8220;separation&#8221; are more actionable philosophies. Which is what this particular post was getting at.</p>
<p>I really like your mention of &#8220;artificial scarcity.&#8221; That&#8217;s something I should blog about soon. My wife and I make a pretty decent amount and so savings has become easier, but we do allow ourselves to feel that scarcity and it keeps us in check.  Good stuff. Thanks again for your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://ptmoney.com/2008/08/04/the-best-way-ive-found-to-truly-save-money/comment-page-1/#comment-2861</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that was a fast reply!

I appreciate your distinction between the kinds of definitions of savings.

However, although my definition is more from economics than from PF, I have found that looking at savings as being the difference between earnings and expenses *is* actually useful from a PF point of view, because it emphasizes that at the end of the day, you need to spend less or earn more if you are going to actually save and have it stick.

Then, putting the savings aside is a separate account tends to help it &quot;stick&quot; a lot longer, as it is no longer in plain view everytime you log onto your checking account or go to the ATM.

As a practical example, I leave no more than one and one half months&#039; expenses in my checking account. At the end of the month, anything above that figure goes into a separate savings account so I don&#039;t suddenly decide I&#039;m rich and go on a spree.

It creates an environment of &quot;artificial scarcity&quot; (I learned that phrase from the book the Millionaire Next Door!).  

I might keep less in the checking account, but I decided I liked not having to worry about my balance at all and just having to go to the bank a maximum of one time per month, so I keep 1.5 months&#039; expenses in there at the start of the month, and shunt any extra to savings at the end of the month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that was a fast reply!</p>
<p>I appreciate your distinction between the kinds of definitions of savings.</p>
<p>However, although my definition is more from economics than from PF, I have found that looking at savings as being the difference between earnings and expenses *is* actually useful from a PF point of view, because it emphasizes that at the end of the day, you need to spend less or earn more if you are going to actually save and have it stick.</p>
<p>Then, putting the savings aside is a separate account tends to help it &#8220;stick&#8221; a lot longer, as it is no longer in plain view everytime you log onto your checking account or go to the ATM.</p>
<p>As a practical example, I leave no more than one and one half months&#8217; expenses in my checking account. At the end of the month, anything above that figure goes into a separate savings account so I don&#8217;t suddenly decide I&#8217;m rich and go on a spree.</p>
<p>It creates an environment of &#8220;artificial scarcity&#8221; (I learned that phrase from the book the Millionaire Next Door!).  </p>
<p>I might keep less in the checking account, but I decided I liked not having to worry about my balance at all and just having to go to the bank a maximum of one time per month, so I keep 1.5 months&#8217; expenses in there at the start of the month, and shunt any extra to savings at the end of the month.</p>
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		<title>By: PT</title>
		<link>http://ptmoney.com/2008/08/04/the-best-way-ive-found-to-truly-save-money/comment-page-1/#comment-2860</link>
		<dc:creator>PT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve - Thanks for your comment. The definition of savings here is as it relates to personal finance, not economics.

It&#039;s a change in mindset that I&#039;m getting at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve &#8211; Thanks for your comment. The definition of savings here is as it relates to personal finance, not economics.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a change in mindset that I&#8217;m getting at.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://ptmoney.com/2008/08/04/the-best-way-ive-found-to-truly-save-money/comment-page-1/#comment-2859</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My above comment supports your statement that having money direct deposited to a separate account from your &quot;spending&quot; account is a great way to increase savings--what it is doing is decreasing the amount you spend, by taking a sum and putting it out of your view and out of your easy reach. that is why auto withdrawals and direct deposit arrangements are so useful.  

For cash money that you have on hand, stuffing some of it in a jar and putting in an inconvenient spot or one that is simply out of view is a way of doing that as well. Out of sight, out of mind and won&#039;t be spent. Or, won&#039;t be spent without forethought.

Using an envelope system for food expenses and entertainment expenses is another example of this same phenomenon. YOu make a mental definition of one stack of money as &quot;for&quot; food, and when that money runs out, it seems like you are out of money for food and you have to stop buying it. You won&#039;t be as likely to pull extra cash from elsewhere in your wallet because of this &quot;mental category&quot; and mental separation or wall that you have put up between &quot;food  money&quot; and &quot;entertainment money&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My above comment supports your statement that having money direct deposited to a separate account from your &#8220;spending&#8221; account is a great way to increase savings&#8211;what it is doing is decreasing the amount you spend, by taking a sum and putting it out of your view and out of your easy reach. that is why auto withdrawals and direct deposit arrangements are so useful.  </p>
<p>For cash money that you have on hand, stuffing some of it in a jar and putting in an inconvenient spot or one that is simply out of view is a way of doing that as well. Out of sight, out of mind and won&#8217;t be spent. Or, won&#8217;t be spent without forethought.</p>
<p>Using an envelope system for food expenses and entertainment expenses is another example of this same phenomenon. YOu make a mental definition of one stack of money as &#8220;for&#8221; food, and when that money runs out, it seems like you are out of money for food and you have to stop buying it. You won&#8217;t be as likely to pull extra cash from elsewhere in your wallet because of this &#8220;mental category&#8221; and mental separation or wall that you have put up between &#8220;food  money&#8221; and &#8220;entertainment money&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://ptmoney.com/2008/08/04/the-best-way-ive-found-to-truly-save-money/comment-page-1/#comment-2858</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Saving money is setting your money aside to be used at a later date.&quot;

Well--not really. Although setting money &quot;aside&quot; where it is not easily accessible *is* a useful technique for managing savings, it is not savings itself. It might be more accurate to say that &quot;Savings is the difference between what you earned and what you spent.&quot; 
Tthat being said, &quot;sequestering&quot; money in a separate mental or physical account (which is what many people call &quot;savings&quot;) is very useful in removing that money from immediate view. Money that is in immediate view can easily be seen as &quot;spendable&quot;.  Putting it &quot;away&quot; where it&#039;s harder to see and harder to get at eliminates some of the temptation to expend your accumulated savings. So in that case, what you wrote is accurate.  But really, there is no hocus pocus about it and from an economist&#039;s point of view, &quot;savings&quot; is simply the difference between what you earned and what you spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Saving money is setting your money aside to be used at a later date.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well&#8211;not really. Although setting money &#8220;aside&#8221; where it is not easily accessible *is* a useful technique for managing savings, it is not savings itself. It might be more accurate to say that &#8220;Savings is the difference between what you earned and what you spent.&#8221;<br />
Tthat being said, &#8220;sequestering&#8221; money in a separate mental or physical account (which is what many people call &#8220;savings&#8221;) is very useful in removing that money from immediate view. Money that is in immediate view can easily be seen as &#8220;spendable&#8221;.  Putting it &#8220;away&#8221; where it&#8217;s harder to see and harder to get at eliminates some of the temptation to expend your accumulated savings. So in that case, what you wrote is accurate.  But really, there is no hocus pocus about it and from an economist&#8217;s point of view, &#8220;savings&#8221; is simply the difference between what you earned and what you spent.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used this method in the past and it has worked well for me. 

I have a partner and a mortgage now though. We tend to pump as much money into the mortgage as possible now rather than using a savings account. 

Although our retirement saving comes directly out of our wages.

My tip, focus on the small pleasures in life to spend less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used this method in the past and it has worked well for me. </p>
<p>I have a partner and a mortgage now though. We tend to pump as much money into the mortgage as possible now rather than using a savings account. </p>
<p>Although our retirement saving comes directly out of our wages.</p>
<p>My tip, focus on the small pleasures in life to spend less.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Reading: August 10, 2008 : Moolanomy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekend Reading: August 10, 2008 : Moolanomy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Steve C @ MyWifeQuitHerJob.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C @ MyWifeQuitHerJob.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that direct deposit is the way to go.  I also try and carry less cash in general.  Some sites advocate paying for everything in cash but whenever I&#039;m carrying any money at all, I tend to spend it.  Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that direct deposit is the way to go.  I also try and carry less cash in general.  Some sites advocate paying for everything in cash but whenever I&#8217;m carrying any money at all, I tend to spend it.  Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not how much you make, it&#039;s how much you spend. When you can stop counting what you earn and only count what you save and spend, your financial life will do nothing but improve. Where you focus is critical to saving money.

People make the mistake of counting what they earn and basing their spending on how much they count. 

Make believe that you earn half of what you earn. Impose your own tax on your income. If the government imposed a tax on your income, you&#039;d figure out a way to survive on what&#039;s left. Why not raise your own personal tax by 20% and figure out a way to survive on what&#039;s left?

Isn&#039;t it amazing how you always manage to survive on what every income you have? Think about that one for a while.

Dave Drew
Your Money Saving Coach
http://www.yourmoneysavingcoach.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not how much you make, it&#8217;s how much you spend. When you can stop counting what you earn and only count what you save and spend, your financial life will do nothing but improve. Where you focus is critical to saving money.</p>
<p>People make the mistake of counting what they earn and basing their spending on how much they count. </p>
<p>Make believe that you earn half of what you earn. Impose your own tax on your income. If the government imposed a tax on your income, you&#8217;d figure out a way to survive on what&#8217;s left. Why not raise your own personal tax by 20% and figure out a way to survive on what&#8217;s left?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it amazing how you always manage to survive on what every income you have? Think about that one for a while.</p>
<p>Dave Drew<br />
Your Money Saving Coach<br />
<a href="http://www.yourmoneysavingcoach.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.yourmoneysavingcoach.com</a></p>
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